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Monday, October 26, 2026

Viewer Log: Batman: Caped Crusader ep 17

 Every Rose has its Thorns. 

Last time on Batman: Caped Crusader, Gotham University proved to be a dangerous place to be. Multiple students seemed to die of fright. This piques the curiosity of Batman, but also Dr. Harleen “Harley Quinn” Quinzel. The Good doctor had been hiding out at Montoya’s place for an undisclosed amount of time, and she was going stir-crazy being unable to leave. She and Batman cross paths at the morgue with each other as well as the mysterious Scare Crow (I separated it because he’s more of a scary bird than a thing that scares birds) that’s poisoning everyone with the fear toxin. They’re able to figure out that all the victims are connected to one Dr. Charles Burton but find him murdered at the last potential victim’s apartment, Jonathan Crane, Jr.’s. Batman rushes to stop the mad scientist and gets a face full of gas for his trouble. He’s able to fight through his delusion (where he’s an old man watching powerlessly as Gotham burns) and gives Crane a taste of the gas. The episode ends wit Harleen saying goodbye to Montoya, as while she loved being with her, Harleen knows she’s a liability to Montoya, and that she’ll go nuts if she goes back to being locked up in the apartment. Enough recapping. Let’s get to it, shall we?

 

Ep 17: Her Dark Reflection

 

We open at the Forrest Flower shop, where father, Phil Forrest, and his daughter Rose are working on some plants. Rose takes out a locket with a picture of herself and a man inside it and sighs. Her father tells her not to be too upset. Phil is clearly a hard man to impress, as he calls the guy, Freddy, soft and a bad bet. He claims that Freddy wouldn’t have been as bad as Rose’s mother, but he wouldn’t have worked out long term. Rose doesn’t disagree that her mom was bad but insists that Freddy would have been good to her. Phil says that she needs a strong man that’ll get her out of the hell hole that is Gotham. He tells her “no more breakdowns” and promises to find her prince charming. Eddie and Lily come in, the Riddler tells his girlfriend that he needs to handle a little business and then he’ll take her some nice place. He shakes the Forrest’s down for protection money and offers to have Rose work out a ‘private’ deal with him, if she wants. Phil tells him to back off; his daughter isn’t a part of this. Eddy, whose ego could be bruised with a soft pinch, angrily asks if Phil is trying to tell him how to run his business. Phil says that he doesn’t want trouble, he didn’t have any with Thorne, and he doesn’t want any from Eddie. But he was a cop for ten years, and he’s seen a lot of guys like Eddie, and they all end up six feet under. Eddie looks pissed but then laughs it off before leaving. Rose asks if they should call the cops, and Phil says not to worry, as Eddie is all bark and no bite. Eddie proves this wrong as he tommy guns the shop, killing Phil as he shoves Rose behind the counter. She cradles her father’s body and starts to sob.

 

We cut to Rose being interviewed by Montoya. Eel O’Brien gets a photo of the distraught Rose because, well, he’s aptly named. Montoya tells Rose to call her if she thinks of anything. Montoya compares notes with Flass, who confirms none of the neighbors ‘saw’ anything. Both cops agree that no one is willing to cross the Riddler. Montoya reveals that Phil used to be a beat cop with Gordon back in the day, but he retired after his wife left him to raise Rose. He said that he didn’t have the right to risk his life when she needed him, and Flass, being a dick, sneers and asked how well that worked out.

 

At Wayne Manor, Bruce is reading the paper. Riddler is the front-page story. Alfred mentions that it seems like things in Gotham have been getting worse since Thorne disappeared. Brue agrees, saying daylight crimes are way up. Alfred mentions that he hopes that Rose is doing okay. Bruce asks if he knows her, and Alfred says, ‘in a manner of speaking.’ He reveals that he was a regular at the Forrest Flower shop, as he bought the bouquets that were placed on the Wayne’s graves there. Bruce, visibly stunned, says that he thought that the cemetery covered that. Alfred simply say that it does not. Bruce has noticed that the crimes are all spiraling out from Gotham’s Narrows, the heaviest crime area of the city. Bruce orders the car gassed up, as he’s going to investigate tonight.

 

Rose cleans up the shop, and finds Riddler’s matchbook for his club, Stumpers, and pockets it. She heads upstairs to her apartment and tries to get some sleep, though she’s clearly terrified. She wakes up in the night, a severe look on her face. She walks across the room to her dresser, and gently touches a photo of her parents back when they were young. She remembers her father’s words about finding her prince charming. She takes off her necklace and beats it on the dresser repeatedly, shattering it. She then goes to her closet and pulls out her mother’s old showgirl outfit. Rose’s voice has completely changed as she says that it’s about tie her mother was useful for something, but it still needs something. Rose heads to a lingerie shop for some accessories. She grabs a dark, longer haired wig, green lipstick, and a spiked choker to complete her look. A cop stops her for breaking and entering. She flirts with the cop a little, I think just to see if he’ll react to her. He seems into it, but then she tries to attack him and they have a struggle. She beats him to the ground, steals his gun and says that she’s asking for ‘it’ but that he’s no the one who’ll give it to her. She knocks him out with the butt of the stolen pistol.

 

I should note that they don’t name this new version of Rose “Thorn” until the end of the episode, but I’m going to start referring to her as such. Rose is no longer in the driver’s seat.

 

We jump to Stumpers where Lily plays piano for the club as Eddie entertains some goons. Thorn walks in and immediately turns head. Everyone in the club notices her, but especially Eddie. She heads to the bar and gets a drink. Lily joins her and warns the other woman that looking is fine, but she’s already called dibs on Edward Nygma. They have a verbal spar over who Eddie is interested in before Lily leaves in a huff. Flass comes into the club and tries to butter up Eddie, but the goon turned kingpin isn’t interested in talking to him. Flass tries to offer his services to Eddie, saying that he and Thorne had a very amicable relationship, and he’d like to see that continue. Thorne cuts in, asking what good was that relationship. Thorne was taken in by Batman after all. He was arrested, just barely dodged a 20 year stint at Blackgate, and now he’s hiding in his own city. Flass tries to get Thorne to back off, but she grabs his hand and forces him to his knees. Eddie tells Flass to get a drink, and sends off his other goons to have a minute alone with Thorne. They have a flirty conversation, Thorne saying that she wants everything, like Eddie, and she knows how to get it. He gets her a cigarette and tells her to keep talking.

 

Rose wakes up the next morning to someone calling her name. She finds herself naked in bed with a huge bruise on her arm. She goes to her window to see a cop waiting to escort her to her father’s funeral. She says she’s coming and rushes to get dressed.

 

Gordon delivers the Eulogy at the funeral, and it brings Rose to tears. She heads back to the shop after and starts arranging a giant heart display of flowers. She interrupted by Alfred, who came to offer his condolences. He notices that there’s something a bit off about Rose, asking if she really shouldn’t take some time off. She insists that she needs to keep busy, her father was a believer about idle hands being the devil’s workshop. Alfred gives her his card and says that he and Mr. Wayne will help her however she needs.

 

That night, she’s at Stumpers again and convinces Eddie to leave the club to do some crimes with her. He tells her, “Baby, we’ll paint the town red.” We get a montage of Eddie and Thorn’s crimes as Batman and the cops investigate. Batman starts to see a pattern develop. The cops finally catch up to Riddler and Thorne, but he sets off a bomb to distract them and races off. Batman starts chasing them in the Batmobile. Riddler and Thorn give him the slip, but he sees their oil trail and follows them to a junkyard.

 

Insider, Riddler and Thorne prepare to blow a safe, but Batman throws a bat-a-rang to stop them. Batman fights off Riddler and his goons, but quickly passes out. Thorn got him around the neck with her thorny whip. She coats the thorns in poison that knocked Batman out. Riddler wants to kill Batman immediately, but Thorne insists that they play with him just a bit longer. They tie Batman up and put him in the cab of a car. They pull the break and shove the car towards a canyon. Batman struggles to get free, but the car goes off the broken bridge, exploding when it hits the ground. Riddler and Thorn kiss in celebration, and they head out to cause more trouble. It’s revealed Batman survived, having gotten his grappling hook out at the last second. He drags himself back to the main shop and finds another Stumper’s matchbook. With how often Eddie is tossing those around, it’s a wonder it took this long to find one.

 

A dejected Lily watches and plays piano as Eddie and Thorn celebrate the death of Batman. Eddie says that she’s the ‘Cherry on this whole Sundae.’ Thorn says that she always thought of herself as more of a Rose, clearly trying to tip Eddie off about who she is, but the guy does pick up on it. He claims to have big plans, to spread into Bludhaven once they’ve taken Gotham. Thorn asks if he plans to make this partnership permanent. Before he can say much else, Batman arrives, throwing a Bat-a-rang to get their attention. Batman beats up the goons, Eddie takes a swing, but Batman knocks him aside. Thorn grabs him and says she knows where they can lay low. Batman finishes the last goon, but Lily shoots at him, saying that she won’t miss the next one. She’s all bark though, and can’t bring herself to shoot Batman. She starts having a breakdown, saying that Eddie is HER’s, not Batman’s or the cheap dime store floozy’s. She starts crying, muttering that everything was going right until Eddie shot up that flower shop. That tips Batman off to where to go next and he runs off.

 

Thorn takes Eddie to the back entrance to Forrest Flower shop, there’s a cute little heart note with Eddie’s name on it. She tells him to get inside, it’s open. He finds the big heart bouquet that Rose had been working on. It has “Eddie Nygma, Rot in Hell” on the banner over it. He asks if this is a sick joke. She says that Rose thought Eddie would like it. He’s stunned to realize that Thorne is (sort of) Rose, saying that that girl was a mouse. Thorne claims that Rose was a sweetie, and that she might have even been able to forgive him in time… but she can’t. She woke up when Eddie killed Phil. Eddie calls her a crazy bitch as she unloads a tommy gun into him, killing him and knocking him into the bouquet. There’s an eerie shot of a white rose dyed red in his blood.

 

Batman finds his body, taking one of the flowers just before the cops arrive. Batman and Alfred hear about Riddler’s death on the radio in the cave. Alfred is so disheartened to hear about more trouble happening at Rose’s shop and thinks about checking in on her. Batman tells him that he won’t be seeing Rose again. He pieced together that Rose and Thorn (he dubbed her that on his crime board) are the same person. Alfred is shocked that Rose did it, he says the girl he knew wouldn’t be capable of that. Batman says she had a bad day, a really bad day. Alfred asks if she’ll be okay, and Batman thinks that this’ll be the last they hear of her. The man that killed her father is dead, so she’ll want to put distance between herself and Gotham.

 

We see that Thorn has boarded a train. She heads out of town. There’s a moment where Thorn looks at her reflection in the glass and sees Rose looking back, but she’s gone a moment later. Thorn stretches out and gets comfortable as the train rolls out of town. Batman says that if she returns, he’ll be ready for her.

 

We then cut to a bar where Thorne’s former gang have a toast to Eddie. One of the goons asks what they’ll do now. The door to the bar opens and the Joker is standing there. He says that it’s very simple, they all work for him now.

 

I’m… conflicted about this episode and the whole Riddler arc of season 2. On the one hand, I get why some people like it. This version of Edward Nygma is a deconstruction of the character with his traditional love of riddles and word games is suppressed to instead focus on his insecurity and anger issues. But if you take away the riddles from Riddler, it makes me question why he’s Edward Nygma at all! If you take away his schtick to this degree, you might as well just use one of the other mob type characters like Falcone to fill the spot. He’s a bitter, angry man that gets distracted by a shiny new bauble dangled just within reach and gets killed when he grabs for it. That hardly feels like the Riddler at all to me. And like everyone who has any knowledge of Batman knew that the Riddler was just holding the place for the Joker to step up and take the spotlight for the finale, but like, they could have tried harder to make it less obvious. Using Rose/Thorn as the villain was an interesting choice. I like many saw a plant themed lady in the trailer and assumed she’d be Poison Ivy. Maybe they’re saving Pamela for season 3. For those who don’t know, she’s actually a Golden Age DC villain that first fought the original Flash, Jay Garrick, and then later fought and became romantically involved with Alan Scott the original Green Lantern. That version has plant-based powers, unlike the Caped Crusader version, but they do stick to the fact that Thorn is the split personality of Rose. Having her be the one to kill Eddy in vengeance for her father was thematically a good call. He was destroyed by the monster that his rage unwittingly made and all that jazz. And I think it’s kind of a neat decision that she’s the one that has arguably come the closest to killing Batman. Not an assassin, not a mobster, not a supervillain, but an angry woman that was just using him as a steppingstone to her actual target. Shame Batman didn’t have much to do in this episode besides track them, almost die a few times, and then find Riddler’s body. I liked the moment when Bruce learns that Alfred is the one that lays out the flowers for his parents. While their relationship is significantly warmer than it had been in the first season, there is still a wall there that Alfred is slowly chipping away at to get Bruce to open up to him. And learning that Alfred is doing his best to keep the grave looking pretty all on his own is going to help that thaw significantly, I think. The reveal that the Joker is now scooping up the majority of Rupert Thorne’s remaining men is probably not good news for Batman. But we’ll have to wait and see on that one. Next time, Batman meets an old fan and a new artist. 

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